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[Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by admin » Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:08 pm

I want your proposition on HOW exactly to 'reward' Gladiators: By this, I mean HOW can people who participate in the Arena 'profit' not only to have fun playing the game with the Sheet, but also get a shot at increasing their subscription time while doing it?

I'm open to suggestions at this time. Gimme ideas please! Keep in mind that
a) 1 win for 1 'free' subscription month is... exaggerated
b) We'll need a tracking system - the simpler the 'better'
c) For PbP, I use "Reward Month" as a 'point' system - this could use the same terminology, as it also would grant that
d) Whatever we use should be within the reach of someone who participates!
e) Epic people won't require this (evidently)

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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by BusyCowboy » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:55 pm

Well maybe if/when this takes off, we can talk about potentially getting various books such as "Earn x to get the Monsterous Manual set" (which obviously would require a lot since that set of books along costs a fortune, LOL).

Or maybe after they reach a certain point in their Divine Ranks, then maybe gift cards or something. *Shrug* So long as it keeps them active here and makes a profit somewhere along the lines for the system, then I'm down with it. :)

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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by PowerRongeur » Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:20 am

Attain level 5 with one gladiator: 1 month of subscription.
Attain level 10: 2 months
Attain level 15 : 3 months
Attain level 20: 5 months
Bonus subscription limited to 3 gladiators per school.

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School Win 5 fight: Access to psionic books
School Win 10 fights: Acces to "complete ..." books
School Win 15 fights: Access to "race of ..." books
School Win 20 fights: Access to MM book
School Win 30 fights: Access to all MM books

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School earn 1000 GP: Access to a second gladiator
School earn 5000 GP: Access to a third gladiator
School earns 15000 GP: Access to a 4th.
School Earns 50000 GP: Access to a 5th.

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Monthly contests to earn subscription like:

Better description of gladiator
Better fighter this month (wins)
Most helpful/ fun to play with gladiator
Lottery, with or without tickets buy

These contest should limit the number of time you can win in a year.
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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by PowerRongeur » Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:19 pm

Right, ideas!

Lottery system. Everyone can buy tickets for a chance of winning a prize (a magic item, 10 000 gold, a month's subscription).
You can buy them with the gold of your gladiators or, if you want to go that route, you can buy them with real money to help finance the site.

Tournament. A tournaments with brackets and everything. The winner gets a magic sword or someting. Or, a buy-in tournament: 8 players enter by giving 100 gold. The winner takes all. Or the winner takes 50%, the second 20% and the 3rd and 4th each have 15%.

Wheel of fortune. Pay 1000 gold. Win something. depending on the die roll, a potion, a +1 sword or even a ring of invisibility (1% chance)

Elections / polls: Vote on the biggest braggart, best showman, scariest opponent, king of the arena. Make them work for your vote. "I will vote for you if you defeat me in single's combat". Attach some small bonus to the title and presto! Instant fun for a month.
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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by Duniagdra » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:22 pm

PowerRongeur wrote:Attain level 5 with one gladiator: 1 month of subscription.
Attain level 10: 2 months
Attain level 15 : 3 months
Attain level 20: 5 months
Bonus subscription limited to 3 gladiators per school.
This could be something that can be implemented as a guarantee, but would these be cumulative, at 20th level, would someone have earned 11 months to their subscription time? This would need to be approved by Richard.
PowerRongeur wrote: School Win 5 fight: Access to psionic books
School Win 10 fights: Acces to "complete ..." books
School Win 15 fights: Access to "race of ..." books
School Win 20 fights: Access to MM book
School Win 30 fights: Access to all MM books
This would only work in the making of a new character for you school. Maybe removing the books currently allowed, but including books not allowed might be something worth while. I'm not sure how I feel about this anyhow.
PowerRongeur wrote: School earn 1000 GP: Access to a second gladiator
School earn 5000 GP: Access to a third gladiator
School earns 15000 GP: Access to a 4th.
School Earns 50000 GP: Access to a 5th.
I think the current system is fine for additional gladiators. 5th level, 10th, 15...
PowerRongeur wrote: Monthly contests to earn subscription like:

Better description of gladiator
Better fighter this month (wins)
Most helpful/ fun to play with gladiator
Lottery, with or without tickets buy

These contest should limit the number of time you can win in a year.
We need players before we can really implement tournaments. The one that interests me most is the lottery. It can go two ways, players pay real money to win subscription extensions, and gladiators pay in gp to win items, gold, ro such.
PowerRongeur wrote:Right, ideas!

Lottery system. Everyone can buy tickets for a chance of winning a prize (a magic item, 10 000 gold, a month's subscription).
You can buy them with the gold of your gladiators or, if you want to go that route, you can buy them with real money to help finance the site.
As I mention above, the lottery can be a good idea.
PowerRongeur wrote: Tournament. A tournaments with brackets and everything. The winner gets a magic sword or someting. Or, a buy-in tournament: 8 players enter by giving 100 gold. The winner takes all. Or the winner takes 50%, the second 20% and the 3rd and 4th each have 15%.
another good proposal. Something to consider.
PowerRongeur wrote: Wheel of fortune. Pay 1000 gold. Win something. depending on the die roll, a potion, a +1 sword or even a ring of invisibility (1% chance)
This could be implemented as something outside of the match fight/tournament, like a gambling place. I just don't see this as an actual competition between gladiators, but a form of gambling.
PowerRongeur wrote: Elections / polls: Vote on the biggest braggart, best showman, scariest opponent, king of the arena. Make them work for your vote. "I will vote for you if you defeat me in single's combat". Attach some small bonus to the title and presto! Instant fun for a month.
Maybe this could be something relying on skill or ability use in match fights/tournaments?
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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by PowerRongeur » Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:01 pm

Duniagdra wrote:
PowerRongeur wrote:Attain level 5 with one gladiator: 1 month of subscription.
Attain level 10: 2 months
Attain level 15 : 3 months
Attain level 20: 5 months
Bonus subscription limited to 3 gladiators per school.
This could be something that can be implemented as a guarantee, but would these be cumulative, at 20th level, would someone have earned 11 months to their subscription time? This would need to be approved by Richard.
Cumulative might be a bit much. I'll leave it up to Richard to tell us how much bonus he intends to give for each target.
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PowerRongeur wrote: School Win 5 fight: Access to psionic books
School Win 10 fights: Acces to "complete ..." books
School Win 15 fights: Access to "race of ..." books
School Win 20 fights: Access to MM book
School Win 30 fights: Access to all MM books
This would only work in the making of a new character for you school. Maybe removing the books currently allowed, but including books not allowed might be something worth while. I'm not sure how I feel about this anyhow.
Since I read that the MM books will be out, this needs reworking. I'd suggest putting access to the book of nine swords as the top prize.
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PowerRongeur wrote: School earn 1000 GP: Access to a second gladiator
School earn 5000 GP: Access to a third gladiator
School earns 15000 GP: Access to a 4th.
School Earns 50000 GP: Access to a 5th.
I think the current system is fine for additional gladiators. 5th level, 10th, 15...
You're right. But it can be a different reward like a magic item, subscription, bonus xp (or vp).
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PowerRongeur wrote:Right, ideas!

Lottery system. Everyone can buy tickets for a chance of winning a prize (a magic item, 10 000 gold, a month's subscription).
You can buy them with the gold of your gladiators or, if you want to go that route, you can buy them with real money to help finance the site.
As I mention above, the lottery can be a good idea.
Thank you
Duniagdra wrote:
PowerRongeur wrote: Tournament. A tournaments with brackets and everything. The winner gets a magic sword or someting. Or, a buy-in tournament: 8 players enter by giving 100 gold. The winner takes all. Or the winner takes 50%, the second 20% and the 3rd and 4th each have 15%.
another good proposal. Something to consider.
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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by scantrontb » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:08 pm

Duniagdra wrote:
PowerRongeur wrote: Wheel of fortune. Pay 1000 gold. Win something. depending on the die roll, a potion, a +1 sword or even a ring of invisibility (1% chance)
This could be implemented as something outside of the match fight/tournament, like a gambling place. I just don't see this as an actual competition between gladiators, but a form of gambling.
you gotta be careful with this one, the RL law enforcement agencies may view this as a "real" form of online gambling and shut the whole site down while clearing it up in court, it won't matter that "we" know it isn't... there are people out there that are OCD about this kind of stuff. especially since you can only gain access to this by paying real money (for the access to this section of the forums you have pay to subscribe.)

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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by Duniagdra » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:29 pm

scantrontb wrote:
Duniagdra wrote:
PowerRongeur wrote: Wheel of fortune. Pay 1000 gold. Win something. depending on the die roll, a potion, a +1 sword or even a ring of invisibility (1% chance)
This could be implemented as something outside of the match fight/tournament, like a gambling place. I just don't see this as an actual competition between gladiators, but a form of gambling.
you gotta be careful with this one, the RL law enforcement agencies may view this as a "real" form of online gambling and shut the whole site down while clearing it up in court, it won't matter that "we" know it isn't... there are people out there that are OCD about this kind of stuff. especially since you can only gain access to this by paying real money (for the access to this section of the forums you have pay to subscribe.)
huh? I'm assuming you joking? we're not concerned.
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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by shai-hulud » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:40 pm

Duniagdra wrote:huh? I'm assuming you joking? we're not concerned.
Why would you assume that he is joking? What he is saying makes a lot of sense. That is something that we should be careful about. The wording would need to state that the winnings have no actual value in real world money. Since players who drop their characters can have other take over their characters for free, this should not be an issue. If someone had to purchase an already created character (or win such a character as a prize), then the technicalities might sway the law enforcement agencies to consider it closer to gambling. We just need to make sure that there is never a connection between anything that could be won and actual money.
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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by scantrontb » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:19 pm

no i WASN'T joking. i'll need to talk to one of my friends that this happened to,but he was a player in some online game and they started up a thread in the forums that was very similar to this where the online crowd would place bets as to who would win a fight on the pbp forums (as far as he described it to me anyways), and the law shut the site down for gambling... it was the way Duni worded it "much like a gambling place... a form of gambling"... THAT is what will get it us shut down, it would "prove" that we were, in fact, "knowingly" gambling, we wouldn't be able to claim the "we didn't KNOW we were doing that officers, sorry we won't do that again"... and in law technicalities DO count, and believe me there are enough OCD people that hate DnD out there that they would LOVE to be able to do this if they could... these are the same people that went thru that movie "who framed roger rabbit" FRAME BY FRAME during the scene where they are escaping the bad guys in the taxi and crash into the light pole, for the express purpose to see if Jessica was wearing any panties or not so they could file charges of pornography being shown to minors (or whatever the heck it's called)... that is disgustingly stupid levels of how far people will go to stop something they don't approve of.

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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by Duniagdra » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:25 pm

shai-hulud wrote:
Duniagdra wrote:huh? I'm assuming you joking? we're not concerned.
Why would you assume that he is joking? What he is saying makes a lot of sense. That is something that we should be careful about. The wording would need to state that the winnings have no actual value in real world money. Since players who drop their characters can have other take over their characters for free, this should not be an issue. If someone had to purchase an already created character (or win such a character as a prize), then the technicalities might sway the law enforcement agencies to consider it closer to gambling. We just need to make sure that there is never a connection between anything that could be won and actual money.
That's the reason or part of the reason that Richard took BusyCowboy out of the loop as far as paying for certain types of prizes as he was originally proposing. The arena has a lot of potential, but being as everything I'm seeing in place right now is clearly in gold pieces, and not in dollars or euros, and there is nothing physical that a player can receive, I'm not concerned. There is no real money being paid into this, other than the money a subscriber pays to have access to the forum. This is not a concern.

When we really start talking about tournaments, and special types of competitive gaming like a "wheel of fortune" type of thing, then we'll consider it carefully as far as what the gladiator actually wins. Being that as of now, everything else is just an idea to toy with, no, we are not concerned with it. I know for an absolute certain that I'm not in the least.
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Post by Duniagdra » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:32 pm

scantrontb wrote:no i WASN'T joking. i'll need to talk to one of my friends that this happened to,but he was a player in some online game and they started up a thread in the forums that was very similar to this where the online crowd would place bets as to who would win a fight on the pbp forums (as far as he described it to me anyways), and the law shut the site down for gambling... it was the way Duni worded it "much like a gambling place... a form of gambling"... THAT is what will get it us shut down, it would "prove" that we were, in fact, "knowingly" gambling, we wouldn't be able to claim the "we didn't KNOW we were doing that officers, sorry we won't do that again"... and in law technicalities DO count, and believe me there are enough OCD people that hate DnD out there that they would LOVE to be able to do this if they could... these are the same people that went thru that movie "who framed roger rabbit" FRAME BY FRAME during the scene where they are escaping the bad guys in the taxi and crash into the light pole, for the express purpose to see if Jessica was wearing any panties or not so they could file charges of pornography being shown to minors (or whatever the heck it's called)... that is disgustingly stupid levels of how far people will go to stop something they don't approve of.
Just because there was brief talk about something doesn't mean it would happen. Yes,. I do believe they went frame by frame in Roger Rabbit, however, for what we were talking of, I'm not recalling the topic being in regards to actual players betting, but characters betting in fictional currency. again, this was nothing but talk and hypothetical consideration. I still stand by what I say, I'm not concerned.

I'm not doubting what you say about the OCD, but I'm not concerned about it.
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Post by scantrontb » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:54 pm

Duniagdra wrote:When we really start talking about tournaments, and special types of competitive gaming like a "wheel of fortune" type of thing, then we'll consider it carefully as far as what the gladiator actually wins. Being that as of now, everything else is just an idea to toy with, no, we are not concerned with it. I know for an absolute certain that I'm not in the least.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the idea of getting a whole bunch of PC's together and letting them do Battle Royale in a cage match till the last one standing wins all, with every one else betting to see who gets the 5000 Galactic Credits on the outcome, but just because YOU are NOT concerned about it does NOT mean that RICHARD DOESN'T NEED TO BE EITHER... He has the REAL-LIFE LEGAL aspects to deal with concerning this site and his ISP, and while all you would have to deal with (if this went bad), is just not being able to log on anymore, HE could go to JAIL if the law takes an ill-liking to this whole setup... all I'm saying is even though "WE" think it's all in good fun, the "LAW" may think differently, whether or not it's true won't make a difference.

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Re: [Seeking Ideas] How to Reward Gladiators?

Post by shai-hulud » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:00 pm

I think this topic is interesting, but not needed at the moment. If it becomes more serious discussion, we can look into the legal ramifications then. Right now, it is not being considered, so no worries.
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Post by Duniagdra » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:10 pm

shai-hulud wrote:I think this topic is interesting, but not needed at the moment. If it becomes more serious discussion, we can look into the legal ramifications then. Right now, it is not being considered, so no worries.
My point exactly. And I'm not trying to downplay anything of what you are saying scantrontb, I'm just saying that this is not an issue at this time. There is no implementation of anything that would warrant "gambling concerns" at this time. When we do start considering bring in other topics that may encourage "gambling" so to say, we'll address that then. Until then, it's not a concern for even Richard. Otherwise, at that time, we would be more that happy to receive any input you have to offer.
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Post by scantrontb » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:22 pm

not a problem, i just wanted to make real clear, real early, that the law (and them OCD s.o.b.'s) get mighty vague over nitpicky things like that... believe me i'll make my comments if i feel i need to :P :2c:

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Post by Duniagdra » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:18 pm

scantrontb wrote:not a problem, i just wanted to make real clear, real early, that the law (and them OCD s.o.b.'s) get mighty vague over nitpicky things like that... believe me i'll make my comments if i feel i need to :P :2c:
If I'm thinking of the right people, they are a government agency, no? maybe at the least, some type of bureaucracy with official capacity. That makes them vague over nit-picky things by default.
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